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Just dropping in to introduce myself. I am a local (live in bloomfield hills work in northville) B7 2005.5 Sprint Blue S4 owner. I was having a little issue at home depot at lunch today and met Red Wagon. Now I am off to figure out what keeps stopping my S4 from starting randomly at lunch. Todya it took disconnecting the tb and cranking and the car started right up.


(It doesn't have those rims anymore, now I have stock RS6 style silver wheels)

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Re: New Member, brought in by RedWagon when my car wouldn't start.
« Reply #1 on: August 08, 2011, 03:42:55 PM »
welcome aboard!

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Re: New Member, brought in by RedWagon when my car wouldn't start.
« Reply #2 on: August 09, 2011, 02:34:22 PM »
Welcome and good luck figuring out the issue.
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Re: New Member, brought in by RedWagon when my car wouldn't start.
« Reply #3 on: August 10, 2011, 10:57:19 AM »
Welcome to the boards and might I say, NICE CAR!  I hope you get it figured out, nothing pisses me off more than random no starts. 

Do you wrench on your own car or take it to a mechanic?
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Re: New Member, brought in by RedWagon when my car wouldn't start.
« Reply #4 on: August 10, 2011, 07:07:22 PM »
Thanks for the welcome and the complement. I typically do all of my own work on our cars. This one is a little confusing to me and she may need to hit a shop soon. Does anyone have any recommendations around bloomfield hills?

I had an even scarier showing of this issue today. coming up telegraph from 696 I was taking 35 minutes to go 1 mile and I get to 12 mile, the car is idling a little bumpy and I take off from the light and teh dash lights up and the car dies. I call a tow truck with the cop that pulled up to see what was going on. I am waiting and 15-20 minutes after dieing she cranks and starts a little rough before roaring to life. I cancel the tow and drive the car home, it starts again here no problem. I have no idea what to do now. I can't be driving around riskign the car will randomly not start or just die on me like this.

It seems like it isn't getting the signal for spark or is not getting fuel when this happens. The fuel pumps tend to go bad on the S4's but the symptoms of working again after 15 minutes are just odd to me.



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Re: New Member, brought in by RedWagon when my car wouldn't start.
« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2011, 12:54:37 AM »
Welcome! Nice car! Hopefully you resolve your issues...

I wonder if the S4 has some sort of of crank position sensor? Your symptoms appears to match what a failing one would cause...
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Re: New Member, brought in by RedWagon when my car wouldn't start.
« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2011, 06:16:44 AM »
welcome!

If you need help, there is only one choice -- German Motor Werks in Waterford.  I'm not sure if Stefan has saved more lives, cars, or dollars for folks on this board.
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Re: New Member, brought in by RedWagon when my car wouldn't start.
« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2011, 10:16:39 AM »
Vinny: that is precisely what I have decided it is. The only bad thing is that the timing on the V8 S4's is on the back end of the engine, so I have to try and get it to my office and get it up on the lift to get to this sensor from below. it is pinched between the cat and the engine block with only a few inches of room. But I guessI iwll just have to wait until Monday or tuesday when the sensor comes in to get it installed.

JM: Thanks for the shop name. I have never had a shop work on my cars aside from things like alignments. I was completely lost trying to think of where to tow to yesterday (before it started up again). I was at the point I was going to have her brought to Fred LAvery and just be prepared to take the abuse they were going to dole out. Now I will have someone else to go to.




A little personal background here on myself. I am 28, married, one kid, live in bloomfield hills and am a Mechanical Engineer by training and position. I work for a top 50 supplier mainly an electrical parts supplier. I have the S4, I just sold my 69 Spitfire and am currently looking for an E30 convertible to replace the spitfire, mainly so the kid can come with if we take the droptop out. We also have an T5 05 S40 which isn't  abad little ride from time to time. I have previously owned 1982 Diesel Rabbit 5-speed, 1989 Diesel Jetta 5-speed, 1990 pontiac sunbird convertible auto, 1996 A4 FWD 5-speed 2.8, 1998 Explorer sport auto, 1999 Mercury Cougar (reasonable heavily modded) s-speed, 2004 Explorer auto. I have done engine rebuilds on the sunbird and the cougar and most if not all other maintenance/repairs on all of the other cars.

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Re: New Member, brought in by RedWagon when my car wouldn't start.
« Reply #8 on: August 11, 2011, 11:07:32 AM »
I can only imagine how a repair manual would read trying to fix this problem.
"Step 1:  Remove engine"



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Re: New Member, brought in by RedWagon when my car wouldn't start.
« Reply #9 on: August 11, 2011, 07:47:28 PM »
Thanks for the welcome and the complement. I typically do all of my own work on our cars. This one is a little confusing to me and she may need to hit a shop soon. Does anyone have any recommendations around bloomfield hills?

I had an even scarier showing of this issue today. coming up telegraph from 696 I was taking 35 minutes to go 1 mile and I get to 12 mile, the car is idling a little bumpy and I take off from the light and teh dash lights up and the car dies. I call a tow truck with the cop that pulled up to see what was going on. I am waiting and 15-20 minutes after dieing she cranks and starts a little rough before roaring to life. I cancel the tow and drive the car home, it starts again here no problem. I have no idea what to do now. I can't be driving around riskign the car will randomly not start or just die on me like this.

It seems like it isn't getting the signal for spark or is not getting fuel when this happens. The fuel pumps tend to go bad on the S4's but the symptoms of working again after 15 minutes are just odd to me.




Well at least you figured it out...I second German Motor Werks. Very fair, reliable, and stands behind his work.  At least they have a timing chain for your motor instead of belts...then again, not that the guides don't need attention after 100k miles.  I hated helping a friend wrench on that car...Love the car, love the sound...but turning a wrench on that car makes me an angry angry asian.

Good luck!

P.S, I drive around that area all the time. If you see a silver B6 A4 with a few mods...wave!
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Re: New Member, brought in by RedWagon when my car wouldn't start.
« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2011, 11:23:20 PM »
Hi Jorgen,  Interesting name for a Michigander???

That is a bit odd what you are running into with your 4.2!  1. Is your battery alright? (my wifes 4.2 just did some weird stuff and it was the battery).  2. There was a coil recall for my '04S4 wondering if you are getting spark and if your car was part of the recall?

Thats all I can think of, weak I know!
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Re: New Member, brought in by RedWagon when my car wouldn't start.
« Reply #11 on: August 12, 2011, 09:04:45 AM »
Jorgen is actually my middle name. My dad is 100% swedish as in his brothers were both born overseas and he was the first in his family born here.


I wouldn't say this car is the worst thing I have ever worked on. Atleast most of the fasteners are in good shape when I get to them. I do have plans to swap plugs, do cam cover gaskets, do the serp belt, tensioner and idler and throw on an aftermarket snub within th next few weeks. You have to pull the whole freakin front end off to do it but if I do it all at once it makes it more worthwhile to me. I can have the front end off on a lift in about 30 minutes, this work I may do at home instead of at work so it will probably take longer.

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Re: New Member, brought in by RedWagon when my car wouldn't start.
« Reply #12 on: August 13, 2011, 06:23:35 AM »
Good luck, it was an innovative redesign to the 4.2 to swedes it into the a4, but not without compromises.  They only no start I had in 10 years was at David's annual party a few years ago- didn't start for the drivehen.  The coolant sensor was bad-$20 part.

It would be a shame to replace the sensor shout being 100% sure.  Would a VAG com log data from that sensor?
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Re: New Member, brought in by RedWagon when my car wouldn't start.
« Reply #13 on: August 18, 2011, 11:09:08 PM »
Well I installed the sensors tonight. I thought about rocking out a set of piggies at the same time but decided I was too lazy to do the rest of the labor.

After that I rolled the car on woodward for about 1.5 hours after the install. no issues. We'll see after I get back from the UP sunday how it rolls then.

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Re: New Member, brought in by RedWagon when my car wouldn't start.
« Reply #14 on: August 19, 2011, 02:33:16 AM »
Wow, that's great.  How bad was the install?   I remember someone had a fiasco at a dealership getting the same thing done- the labor was crazy.
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