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Re: A taste of things to come (updated 12/14/07)
« Reply #15 on: December 15, 2007, 03:21:01 PM »
ok so I don't know much about turbos physically, just how to deal with them in a thermodynamic system :P

so what is going on with those 'circular' shaped holes cut around the inside ring
i hope that was a reasonable description of something i dont know what it is
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Re: A taste of things to come (updated 12/14/07)
« Reply #16 on: December 15, 2007, 06:43:58 PM »
I got the new turbo in, mocked up, I haven't reclocked the centersection or compressor housing yet.

turns out the wastegate dump tube is slightly off, so I have to send back the DP to be fixed, but I'm going to take the opportunity to get rid of the 5-bolt flange and upgrade to V-band outlet (long story why I didn't do this in the first place)

I sent a couple more emails to VAST, but still no response, so I'm still undecided on what to do for tuning.

Couple of updated pics



They are not good with emails at all.  You might want to just call them.
« Last Edit: December 15, 2007, 10:16:08 PM by jm »
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Re: A taste of things to come (updated 12/14/07)
« Reply #17 on: December 15, 2007, 10:16:53 PM »
Thats one hell of a turbo man.
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Re: A taste of things to come (updated 12/14/07)
« Reply #18 on: December 15, 2007, 11:49:16 PM »
ok so I don't know much about turbos physically, just how to deal with them in a thermodynamic system :P

so what is going on with those 'circular' shaped holes cut around the inside ring
i hope that was a reasonable description of something i dont know what it is

Edit cause im bored and feel like posting more about these cause they are cool... it's called a ported shroud. they are mostly used on large turbo/small motor setups. Air goes in like normal and comes out the holes. It is designed to prevent surging. So pretty much u can run higher boost at lower rpms
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Re: A taste of things to come (updated 12/14/07)
« Reply #19 on: December 16, 2007, 12:28:55 AM »
Hey John i just talked to piggie he said,

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tell him i can get him a base tune and he can drive it and tell me what it does from there...i need to know what injectors and maf housing he's running before we can do anything.

he also said to email him when the car is running. He has not seen an email from u. U sure u sending it to, mike@vastperformance.com
« Last Edit: December 16, 2007, 12:46:12 AM by 2000SForce »

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Re: A taste of things to come (updated 12/14/07)
« Reply #20 on: December 26, 2007, 09:34:06 PM »
ok so I don't know much about turbos physically, just how to deal with them in a thermodynamic system :P

so what is going on with those 'circular' shaped holes cut around the inside ring
i hope that was a reasonable description of something i dont know what it is

Yep, it's an anti-surge housing.  If you ever look at a compressor map, you will see the surge line on the left. 

Surge Line:  The map width is limited on the left by the surge line. This is basically "stalling" of the air flow at the compressor inlet. With too small a volume flow and too high a pressure ratio, the flow can no longer adhere to the suction side of the blades, with the result that the discharge process is interrupted. The air flow through the compressor is reversed until a stable pressure ratio with positive volume flow rate is reached, the pressure builds up again and the cycle repeats. This flow instability continues at a fixed frequency and the resultant noise is known as "surging".

There is also the case when the turbo starts providing more air than the engine can handle, the best example is when the throttle closes.  Normally, the BOV will take care of this problem.

A ported housing allows air to bypass the outlet and enter the inlet.  Big turbos on small engines can drift to the left of the surge line on a compressor map.  In theory, a ported housing also allows quicker spoolup when/if this happens.  It's also a nice fail-safe in case your BOV goes bad.
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Re: A taste of things to come (updated 12/14/07)
« Reply #21 on: December 26, 2007, 09:37:50 PM »
Hey John i just talked to piggie he said,

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tell him i can get him a base tune and he can drive it and tell me what it does from there...i need to know what injectors and maf housing he's running before we can do anything.

he also said to email him when the car is running. He has not seen an email from u. U sure u sending it to, mike@vastperformance.com

Cool, yeah, that's the email I was using, most of my emails were with kurt, but I think the last couple I cc'd mike on.

I didn't want to call them, since their website says to use the phone as a last resort, I didn't want to call and bug them if they were in the middle of something.
John Baas
1997 Audi A4 - Lots of mods
2001 BMW M5 - stock....ish
1991 Jetta GL - ITB'd MS'd 16V